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Topic: Need Help ID'ing Snake

Found a small snake coiled up under the lid of the control box of my landscape lights the other evening. Can't pin down the identification exactly. Tried to figure out how to attach images to the forum post but was unable to do so.  Snake's base color is brownish-gray with dark brown blotches down the midline of it's back and smaller dark brown blotches in between the bigger ones on it's side. It has a black strip that starts at the corner of the jaw on one side of the head and goes up through the eye, across the head through the other eye and to the corner of the other jaw.  Will email pics if anyone is interested in taking a stab at idenification. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Shawn
Pea Ridge, AR

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Re: Need Help ID'ing Snake

I'll take a look if you'd like.

thomasbelfordiniraq@yahoo.com

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Re: Need Help ID'ing Snake

me too

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Just sent an email to both of you.  Thanks Again.  Shawn

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Looks like a juvie rat snake to me . I'll try to post one of your pics for others to confirm or correct.

http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p326/BUSHMASTERW30/P4215266.jpg

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Re: Need Help ID'ing Snake

i agree, specifically a juvenile great plains rat snake, elaphe guttata emoryi

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Appreciate it. That was one of the choices I had it narrowed down to, however, I just couldn't reconcile the pics on the website to what I had.

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Do you have any photos that show the profile of the head?

Josh Engelbert
Copan, OK

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I do not say this with absolute confidence, but at first glance my mind said Western Rat Snake (and my mind still thinks that). Of course when juvies, they are hard to tell apart.

Thanks for the pictures.

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With juvenile rat snakes it's best to look at the stripe that goes through the eye.  If the stripe stops at the mouthline then it is a western rat snake.  If the stripe extends on to the neck then it would be a great plains rat snake.  From the angle of the photo I can't tell with 100% accuracy, but I also think it's a western rat snake.

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Agree with obsoletus, although the spearpoint on the head is a bit more emoryi-looking.  Tough to call without a side-shot of the head.

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Here are a couple of pics...one is a profile shot and the other is looking down on top of the head.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc243/bfd821/P4215265.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc243/bfd821/P4215271.jpg

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i think that head profile shot does it - i say western.