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Topic: turtle skeleton

a few months ago I found a turtle that had died, I assume, about the same day I found it (it had gotten stuck in a metal crate in a junk pile) over next few weeks I watched its body decay (very interesting)  but after a while I forgot about it, untill today.  I found the turtles shell filled with bones, and a few remnants of flesh on the head and feet.  I was just wondering if I could use these bones (or plaster models of these bones) to build a self sustaining turtle skeleton.

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Once the bones are THOROUGHLY cleaned, you should be able to reconstruct it.  You'll need to use some wiring to hold it together.  Probably there are some good tips floating around on the internet about how to clean bones.  Good luck.

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I am quite familiar with cleaning turtle skeletons because I often find specimens that have died in a nearby RR track.  Now are we talking about a box turtle or some other species?  Use an old tooth brush and a small bucket of soapy water.  Use the tooth brush to rub the black specks (whatÂ?s left of the flesh) off of the bones and shell.  You may even want to let them soak in the water for a while.

[it still had] a few remnants of flesh on the head and feet


   
  For what you don't get with the tooth brush, use tweezers to take off the flesh from the leg bones.  You might want to leave (at least a portion) of the flesh on the foot bones.  You want to make sure that there is enough flesh on the feet to hold the foot bones together or because once they come apart they are very difficult to get into the right positions.

  I would suggest leaving the skin on the skull.  There is only a very thin layer of skin on the skull so it doesn't hurt to leave it on.  If you try to peel it off the skull may cave in.

  Another note is that you will want to be very careful if you clean the skull.  I use a specialized tooth brush the orthodontist gave me a while back but you could use a pipe cleaner.  If the skull starts coming apart slightly, smear a bit of glue (it doesn't matter which kind) with a tooth pick on the weak area.  Most of the time if it does start coming apart, it will happen right above the eye sockets, although I have known them to come apart in other areas too.

  One other important note.  If this is a box turtle, make sure you don't brush the plastron (underside of the shell) so hard that you make it come off.

  Even after you clean it, the turtle is going to stink something awful.  Put the shell and bones in a place where it is not in direct sunlight (causes the scutes to peel off) and raccoons can't get to it.  If it is a box turtle, use a stick to prop open the plastron while it is "destinking".  It should be more tolerable in a few days.  This is a problem for every one.  I was doing some research at the Smithsonian last year, and the person who was with me opened up the shelf that had the AST and the Galapagos Tortoises in it.  It didn't smell like roses neutral .

  Be sure you keep all the bones.  Even small bones can play and important part it the turtles anatomy.  I would also suggest that you put it in some type of container (shoe box, Tupperware, cheap plastic Wal-Mart cookie tray) for a while so that you can mess with it and learn how the bones go together.  There are probably some websites out there on turtle anatomy and I know there is at least one book that has good illustrations of how the bones go together.

  I hope that this will be of help.  I also hope that I didn't gross anybody out.

  Alex

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Even after you clean it, the turtle is going to stink something awful.

Soaking the bones in a solution of bleach water for a couple of days can help with the stench.

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Currently, I am processing a few skeletons myself at UCA.  A few helpful hints:
if there are some areas that have not decomposed thoroughly, demestid beetles help out big time.  These little beetles can get into tiny crevices that a toothbrush (no matter how small) cannot.  You can get these little beetles cheap online or dig some up in the back yard.  They are hard to work with, so read up on them prior to using them.  They have a tendency to walk away with bones if your not careful. 
Also, some people do use bleach solutions to whiten and clean their bones.  This also takes care of the stink, but if not cleaned properly afterwards can have really bad effects on the bones int he long run.  In place of bleach you can use a hydrogen peroxide solution from your local grocery store.  3% solution is fine and will do the trick.
Good Luck, and if you have any questions down the road about the skeletal structure feel free to contact me. 

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here are a few pictures, I won't have much time to do alot of research for the next few weeks, so this is just my best guess at how the bones go together, I can see I'm missing at least one major bone in one of the hind legs, and I have a few bones that I don't know where they go.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f374/Robbie_ballew/critters/100_5329.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f374/Robbie_ballew/critters/100_5325.jpg

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Is that all of the bones?  There are at least three bones that I can't see in the photos that you would need to reconstuct the skeleton.

  I can tell that your turtle "was" a male.  There is a trick that I picked up a while back that you can use to tell the gender of a box turtle even when you can't see the plastron.

  Alex

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Hello there. I don't know if this reply is too late or not. I'm currently a graduate student in South Dakota, majoring in Paleontology. I am working on a Western Ornate Box Turtle for a Comparative Osteology course. Here are some things that I have learned.

DO NOT use peroxide in cleaning of the specimen. Taxidermists are known to use it, and it really is one of the worst things you can do to bone. You'll destroy the bone in the long run. It turns to powder (we're noticing that in some of the specimens in our own collections). You can boil the animal to cook the meat off the bones, but not too much. I found it helpful to use ammonia an let it soak for a few days. Also, you can just let it rot in a pot of water, the bacteria will eat that flesh away, and leave the cartilage and bone. That will help keep articulation in the skeleton.

Your turtle looks like an Eastern 3-toed Box Turtle. I can't see the feet too well to tell, or the ornamentation of the carapace (if any is there). Those small 'bladed' bones in the corner of your pictures that look like little shoulder blades are the coracoids, they will articulate with those 'boomerang-shaped' scapula.

It looks like you might be missing your cervical (neck) verts, and all of your caudals (tail). The left femur is obviously missing.

There are only two ways to determine the sex of a box turtle: eye color (males will usually have a reddish or orange eye color) or the carapace (slightly concave or convex). The indentation is seen on the view of the posterior plastron, so it is indeed a male.

Your specimen looks like it's in pretty good condition, considering you found it like that. Usually, everything but the shell is scavenged and gone.

I hope this helps, and I hope it's not too late. you probably know all of this already. Just noticed your post, and thought I'd try.

P.S. you may also want to look for rodent gnawings on the shell. There was a paper published on some rodents scraping on turtle shells for calcium.

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I'm very new at this, I found a almost complete box turtle skeleton in the woods. I have to scratch around for the parts and I'm sure I didn't find the feet bones. But I do have alot of other ones. Is there a site or book I can buy to show me the bones and places they go. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Todd