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A friend of mine was in the state for the holiday. We opted to get together for some birding. I am a causual birder at best. The targets of the day were a Townsend's Solitaire and Rufus-crowned Sparrow. We did not see the Solitaire, and I only heard the Sparrow. I was not heart broken, for I am a herper first. So I had to flip rocks and such. Found four Prairie Ringnecks, four Fence Lizards, and a Five-lined Skink. There is good news. Even with the cold weather all were alive except one of the Fence Lizards. I think it had frozen to death, but the other three were even out and about.

I also flipped a couple of Scorpions (I did not get bit  smile ):

http://comp.uark.edu/~gmannin/HerpPosts/9April07/Scorpion.jpg

I guess I should mention the find of the day for the little herper that was along.

Red Milk:

http://comp.uark.edu/~gmannin/HerpPosts/9April07/Redmilk.jpg

Took a shot from the hang glider take off area. We were told a guy took off from the mountain last year and ended up around Springfield Missouri. Some kind of record.

Petit Jean Valley (I think):

http://comp.uark.edu/~gmannin/HerpPosts/9April07/PetitJeanValley.jpg

The beast of a lodge:

http://comp.uark.edu/~gmannin/HerpPosts/9April07/Lodge.jpg

And one of the fancy cabins that most of us can not afford (I like the hot tub on the deck):

http://comp.uark.edu/~gmannin/HerpPosts/9April07/Cabin.jpg

On the way home, I hit a site of tin. It was well after dark, but after finding a milk I hoped for more. No such luck but one chunk of tin did yield 10 Ringnecks, a Five-lined Skink and a Copperhead. The other chunks yielded a Ringneck or two (I lost count).

Picked up as many of he Ringnecks as I could to keep from killing them when I put the tin back down:

http://comp.uark.edu/~gmannin/HerpPosts/9April07/Ringnecks.jpg

Thought I was done taking pictures of Copperheads. I guess I was wrong. Such a pretty cute little one:

http://comp.uark.edu/~gmannin/HerpPosts/9April07/CopperMerge.jpg

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I was curious as to the bite of a scorpion.
I scored a neonate speckled king before the cold front moved in.



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misslindsay wrote:

I was curious as to the bite of a scorpion.
I scored a neonate speckled king before the cold front moved in.

 

Cool on the little speckled. Kinkgs are always fun.

I was making a bit of a bad joke. Of course, as you already know and why you are questioning my statement, they sting not bite. As far as to how bad. I will not say, because I thought centipedes were not that bad.  hmm  I have heard that this species is like a bee sting.

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I'm not that familiar with scorpions, but I heard somewhere (can't remember where) that they can bite as well as sting. I'm not sure what their mouthparts are like so I don't know how bad it would be. I don't even know if its true or not...

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The sting is worse than that of a wasp in my opinion. I was hauling hay one year and had one drop into my shirt. It stung me 5 times before I was able to rip my shirt off. Nasty creatures.

Braithre Thar Gach Ni

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The question to me is not if they bite, of course they can. Does the bite contain venom? We all know the sting does, and the bite "could" be like a grasshopper or something. Those pinching claws could hurt if the animal is big enough. I guess I need to live up to me signature and give it all a test.  :shocked: [size=18NOT[/size. Sounds like it sucks, Glen.

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I may be mistaken, but I am pretty sure that no true scorpions have a venomous bite. However, some pseudoscorpions do.

Josh Engelbert
Copan, OK

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Copperheadman309 wrote:

The sting is worse than that of a wasp in my opinion. I was hauling hay one year and had one drop into my shirt. It stung me 5 times before I was able to rip my shirt off. Nasty creatures.


Im certainly glad I never had that happen while hauling hay when I was growing up. lol

Anja Buffalo

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I was only being sarcastic as to whether they bite or not. Running the risk of the joke getting old, it was irresistable.

I am certainly glad that our Test Bite Dummy neither got bit nor stung by the scorpion.
However, it would have been an interesting comparison to the centipede.

Lindsay

"In our every deliberation, we must consider the impact of our decisions on the next seven generations."  From the Great Law of the Iroquois Confederacy

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Scorpions can't really bite as they don't have fangs but chelicerae which look like two mini-claws pointing down. The mouth parts are too small on most scorpions to do much but break up food. I've been stung by several different scorpions when I went bug collecting in Arizona. After being tagged on the hand I can honestly say I would take it over a wasp or bee anyday. The worst of it passed in a few minutes and swelling was much more mild. I know the ones we have around here are Centruroides scorpions so the sting packs a bit more of a wack. I've handled a few of them out turning rocks and they are pretty mild mannered and seem to rather try to run than stand their ground which is more than I can say for the hairy scorpions in AZ.  They actually make pretty interesting pets and unless you apply pressure to them, you can pick them up quite easily.

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OkieHerper wrote:

I may be mistaken, but I am pretty sure that no true scorpions have a venomous bite. However, some pseudoscorpions do.


That may be so...but I will give Glenn half of my steak at the Spring trip if he lets a scorpion bite him....:lol:

-Ryan

Mark 10:27

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photographer_24/7 wrote:
OkieHerper wrote:

I may be mistaken, but I am pretty sure that no true scorpions have a venomous bite. However, some pseudoscorpions do.


That may be so...but I will give Glenn half of my steak at the Spring trip if he lets a scorpion bite him....:lol:

big_smile  big_smile  big_smile  big_smile  big_smile  big_smile  big_smile  big_smile   yikes

Toooooooo funny Ryan.

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photographer_24/7 wrote:
OkieHerper wrote:

I may be mistaken, but I am pretty sure that no true scorpions have a venomous bite. However, some pseudoscorpions do.


That may be so...but I will give Glenn half of my steak at the Spring trip if he lets a scorpion bite him....:lol:

Fine. But if for some reason he is rendered unconscious I get that half of your steak Ryan.

Braithre Thar Gach Ni

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Copperheadman309 wrote:

The sting is worse than that of a wasp in my opinion. I was hauling hay one year and had one drop into my shirt. It stung me 5 times before I was able to rip my shirt off. Nasty creatures.

   

I must disagree with you on that. I think it hurts less than a wasp or 17 yellowjackets (17 yj's at the same time, very painful. My Ecology class thought I was mad then they ran bc they realized I was in a yellowjacket nest).
I also think the pain is related to where you get stung. I have been stung on the foot [3 stings at the same time] and the end of the thumb and I can say the foot stings were MUCH worse than the thumb sting. At the time I had never cursed in front of my mother-in-law but, the 2 stings on the foot were enough to let the words fly! She was shocked at first then realized that I had fallen on the floor [dropping the contents of the boxes I was carrying everywhere] because I was stung.
The sting on my thumb occurred while putting on my shorts, it was in the waistband and the singer went right in, OW!!!!

The fact that it got stuck in your shirt and let you have it had to suck...

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Melissa Patrick
M.S. Student; ASU

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I am with you on yellow jacket stings on the foot.  I was weedeating for this old lady back when i was about 14, ran the 'ol weedeater across a nice big nest, got me 13 times before i got away...i got like most of them on my ankles, lower leg and feet...and it throbbed like I have never experienced...almost went to the hospital..it was B A D.  Was funny though...in the commotion and me tryin to escape...her yard was scattered with my weedeater, then my boots, them my shirt, then my pants...by time i got back to her door, i was in my undies, barefoot and screaming.  Ah, to be young again.

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being allergic to most stingy things, I always fear it. When Im stung, it swells like normal people and then makes me sick. The site stays swollen and itchy for months. I stepped on a dead bumble bee when I was young and it didnt stop itching for almost a year. I dont know what I was stung by last summer as I didnt SEE the blasted thing- but whatever it was sent its poison seering through the top of my toes and it graduated in a spike through my ankle, up the leg and did not stop until it reached my ribs... my whole leg was twitching and burning and thats never happened to me before.

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I just thought of this Mystic-B...you remember last fall when Josh and I had to make an insect collection and you had that giant bee-thingy in your tent? I don't know if Josh ever told you but, it was a mere bee fly, harmless but looks real nasty...

Just thought you would like to know.

It's either true, or it's not... --Josh Engelbert
It's called pacing yourself... --Jacob Sawyer
To repeat what others have said, requires education; to challenge it, requires brains. --Mary Pettibone Poole

Melissa Patrick
M.S. Student; ASU

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Ack... its okay to call me Torry online, Melissa... HAHAHA.. and thank you for letting me know about that bug- I remember at the time I was trying to avoid touching it. I've been stung by sweat bees, bumbles, reds, dobbers and yellow jackets and none of them did what this one last summer did. I wonder if either my allergy has advanced to one of those species or if it was something else.

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I was told by a bee keeper that the way our immune system works when we get stung is to build up an immunity to that toxin. This immunity lasts for about 6 months, unless you get stung again (within the six months), in that case your body continues to build the immunity. At the same time you build anti-immunity, if you will. The anti-immunity stays suppressed as long as you continue to introduce the toxin into your body, but once the toxin stops, the immunity goes away and the anti-immunity sticks around. Ergo, next time you get stung you have a really bad reaction.
Again, this is what I was told, I have yet to do research on it, but it seems plausible...

It's either true, or it's not... --Josh Engelbert
It's called pacing yourself... --Jacob Sawyer
To repeat what others have said, requires education; to challenge it, requires brains. --Mary Pettibone Poole

Melissa Patrick
M.S. Student; ASU