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Re: Albino Earth Snake (Virginia valeria).

Were is a good museum to donate it to in arkansas?

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gaboon70 wrote:

Were is a good museum to donate it to in arkansas?

My suggestion would be to contact Stanley Trauth at ASU.  I suspect he would be happy to have it, but you can ask and see.

http://biology.astate.edu/faculty/strau … trauth.htm

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Re: Albino Earth Snake (Virginia valeria).

Do understand that donating it as a museum specimen will almost certainly mean that the animal will be euthanized and preserved. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, as preservation is necessary for long term research, but if you have issues with that idea you may look in to other options.

Chance Duncan
Atkins High School Biological Sciences
Central Director, Arkansas Science Teachers Association
479-477-0434

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Re: Albino Earth Snake (Virginia valeria).

Chance wrote:

Do understand that donating it as a museum specimen will almost certainly mean that the animal will be euthanized and preserved.

I should have said so myself, to avoid any misunderstandings, but yes this is correct.

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Re: Albino Earth Snake (Virginia valeria).

gaboon70 wrote:

Were is a good museum to donate it to in arkansas?

Dr. Renn Tumlison also has a collection @Henderson State in Arkadelphia.

http://www.hsu.edu/interior2.aspx?id=5211

Just another option if that is a closer drive.  smile

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Re: Albino Earth Snake (Virginia valeria).

I know that some of you scientific types aren't very concerned with this, but why not try to breed it first, and then donate it?  If it dies for some reason, donate it.  Just a thought... cool

Marc Morris - Arkansas Valley Reptiles
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Marc, if the animal in question was a racer, coachwhip, Nerodia something-or-other, or most other kinds of snakes one happens across here in AR I would agree with you wholeheartedly. However, in this case, we're talking about a species that isn't commonly kept or bred in captivity for a very good reason - because they are very difficult to keep successfully. No doubt someone out there has kept and even bred (accidentally or purposefully) earth snakes in captivity but I imagine you could cite numerous failed attempts for every successful one.

For my purposes, I'd love to have an animal like that, in addition to a normal specimen, to show my students the effects of a mutation in a cascade of protein production and how it can affect the phenotype. If I was closer I'd probably offer to come pick it up, but I'm afraid the 3+ hour drive begins to negate the educational value....lol.

Chance Duncan
Atkins High School Biological Sciences
Central Director, Arkansas Science Teachers Association
479-477-0434

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Re: Albino Earth Snake (Virginia valeria).

You have a point.  However, in the early 90's nobody was interested in Ball Pythons either.  Everyone thought that they were boring, hard to breed, wouldn't consistently feed, were too small, etc.  I'm not saying anyone will get excited about breeding these little buggars, but who knows?

Marc Morris - Arkansas Valley Reptiles
arkansasvalleyreptiles@yahoo.com
479-787-8590

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Re: Albino Earth Snake (Virginia valeria).

ozarkherp wrote:

I know that some of you scientific types aren't very concerned with this...

I'm not sure what you are implying here, but why should we scientific types--or anyone else for that matter--be overly concerned with this?

I don't think anyone who regularly visits the forum gushes with enthusiasm over putting an animal down (even when there are highly valuable reasons for doing so), but, I suppose, some of us are more pragmatic than others.  Whether an animal is donated to museum, plucked up for keeping, fodder for a pet coralsnake, whacked by a lawnmower, or squished by a car, the net effect on the natural population is exactly the same: that animal is effectively *dead*.  (Even in the wild, its prospects aren't much better since albinos usually just end up an easy and obvious meal for something else.)  Starting up a breeding project, while it may sound very thoughtful and caring, would at a minimum double the necessary *deaths*.  So, why should the suggestion to donate it to museum be any more concerning than your own?

Should he ask, I'd be happy to spell out more explicitly some of Michael's choices, along with the pluses and minuses, but donation to museum is certainly ONE valid and valuable choice for the specimen...and one, I believe, he should be able to make on his own without feeling overly guilty about or being negatively judged for.  I don't think anyone was suggesting that this was the only choice or even, perhaps, the best personal choice for Michael to make.  But now that we've thrown our own personal values into the mix, he'll have to weigh more than just the facts.

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