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Topic: Help - injured box turtle

I posted this in introductions, but then realized it is really more appropriate for this forum, since I am really looking for advice and help.  Sorry for posting more than once, but I really need feedback.

I am in the process of rehabilitating a rescued juvenile three-toed female box turtle, and I could really use some advice and support.

Here is the story.  About six months ago, we bought a new house.  While working in the yard over the spring before moving in, we saw this little turtle several times.  We kept relocating it outside of the fence, and it kept coming back.  We knew that once we moved into the house and brought our two dogs, this turtle was going to be in danger.  But we also knew that relocating them far away from their home range was a bad idea.  So, after much research on the internet, we built her a large outdoor enclosure (roughly 10x10) by fencing off a corner of the yard.  We used concrete pavers to keep the turtle in, and then chicken wire on the outside to keep the dogs out.  It worked great for several months, and we had a happy healthy turtle all summer long.  She had two large water sources that she loved to swim in, several hides, a big leaf pile, nutritious plants, and a buffett of worms, snails, and fruits and veggies.  We have LOVED taking care of this little turtle, whom we named Flash.

It kills me to even tell this, but a week ago we came home and the dogs had broken into the enclosure and gotten to Flash.  Her shell was really torn up, and she was bleeding.  We rushed her to our local vet, who happens to work with box turtles.  The vet did an amazing job cleaning up her wounds, getting her stable, administering antibiotics, and caring for her for five days.  The vet even took her home and dug up worms from her garden to feed her.  Despite her injuries, she ate and basked in the heat lamp.

We got her back from the vet yesterday evening.  We prepared a large plastic bin (it is meant for storage of a fake christmas tree and is probably six feet long and a foot wide).  We put in a substrate of torn up newspaper, paper towels, and old t-shirts (all completely clean).  We added hides, a flat basking rock, and a combo heat/UVB lamp.  She is bandaged up with gauze and self-adhesive pet bandage around her shell that we remove once a day, soak her in warm water for 20 minutes, and then apply antibiotic ointment and rebandage her.

Unfortunately, she is not eating for us, and just seems to be really depressed and lethargic.  We have tried feeding her wax worms and meal worms, both of which she used to gobble up with gusto.  We've also tried a tiny bit of canned cat food (shrimp and fish flavor).  She seems interested, but never actually takes a bite. We love this turtle and want to do everything we can to make her better.  how can we get her to eat?

Today I noticed that her right eye is slightly closed.  After soaking, this got better.  But I am so worried that, due to her injuries, we have to keep her in a dry environment, and it is causing problems. 

Please give us all the advice you can.  We want to do the right thing for this little turtle.  She is a member of our family now, and we feel so terrible that we let this happen to her.

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Do you have any photos of her injuries?  Was the shell actually cracked/broken/penetrated at any point, or was the outer epidermis just scraped off?  Also, where did she bleed from?

Its possible that she may not be feeding from the combined stress of injury and being in a new environment.  Also, captive turtles that have been exposed to normal seasonal shifts in their life often slow their feeding/activity rates as winter approaches, just as they would do in the wild.

Turtles are tough animals, and they can go a long time without eating.  Might be best to continue with the wound therapy and warm temps until she heals.  Keep offering food, but I wouldn't lose too much sleep over her not eating until its been a while (weeks or even months).

Van

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I concur.  You are in a bit of a catch-22 here because of the timing.  The Ornate Box Turtle I keep in my classroom gets very drowsy and loses appetite from now until spring even though I keep it at room temps.

The eye thing for your turtle just sounds to me like it is sleepy.

For healing, added warmth is helpful, but for the natural seasonal activities of your turtle, cooler is better.  There may not be a *right* answer here and you will have to use your best judgment.  I would tend, however, to think that the healing should take precedence and set up a heat lamp on one side of the turtle's enclosure until the wounds are sealed/scabbed.

You might also try offering some banana.  This is my turtle's favorite food.

Good luck.

Look at this poor thing...  (...and this was a turtle found in the wild--completely healed up on its own without benefit of human intervention!)
http://herpsofarkansas.com/wiki/uploads/Turtle/TerrapeneCarolina/th41---D8DBB0--2C3V7012.jpg.jpg

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Thank you for the response.  She still isn't eating.  She is interested in the worms - looks at them, follows them with her eyes, and has even nudged one with her beak, but has not actually opened her mouth and taken a bite.  We are especially worried about it because we wish she'd eat as a way to get a bit more moisture into her system.  We soak her once a day, but the vet told us not to mist her enclosure or offer her a water bowl because getting the wounds wet would be bad. 

I don't have photos.  When all of this happened, it was the last thing on my mind.  I may be able to take some photos when we take the bandages off to soak her today.  There are some cracks on her platron near the edge, and on her carapace there are a few spots along the edges where parts of her shell are missing (so the edge of her carapace is very jagged and broken looking).  The vet doesn't believe her body cavity was punctured, though.  On one side, where the plastron and carapace meet (between her front and back leg), pieces of both are basically broken off, but are still hanging on by a little bit of tissue.  The vet didn't want to remove them, and just said we should wait and see if the will heal back up or fall off.  Right now, most of the rough broken-off edges of her shell have healed over, and there are really just a couple of areas that i would still consider an open wound.  We clean these out daily, allow her to soak, apply silver sulfadiazine (sp?) cream, wrap sterile gauze around her shell to cover these areas, and then secure it with the pet bandage.  It covers it completely, stays in place, but still allows her to move.  I am a bit confused why the vet has chosen to do this instead of mending the shell with epoxy or a patch, but she is an experienced vet, so I'll trust her.

Here are my concers: 

1) Lack of moisture.  We can't mist the enclosure of give her a water dish to soak in. She gets a 20-30 minute soak each day.  Is this enough to keep her well hydrated?  Sadly, I haven't noticed her drinking any water during her soak.  Can she absorb it through her skin?

2) She won't eat.  We have proper temperature, light, and UVB to stimulate appetite, but she is just not interested.  I know box turtles can go quite a while without eating, but doesn't she need vitamins and nutrition to support her immune system while she recovers?

3) Her eyes.  One looks wide open and normal, although it may be sticking out a bit, and the other one appears half-closed, but not really swollen or puffy.  I have read that I could use cod liver oil on them.  Do you think this is a good idea?

Also, for sick or injured turtles who won't eat, I have read about soaking them in a diluted pedialyte formula.  Is this a good idea for her, or would it harm her open wounds?  What about adding liquid vitamins to the water?

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Hi, just an update.  We went home at lunch and soaked her for 30 minutes.  She very visably stuck her head down in the water and drank for a long time!  She really seemed to enjoy the long soak, and even pooped in the water (first time we've seen her poop since the incident).  We offered her worms in the water and a variety of food after the soak, and she still isn't interested. But I am really happy that at least she took a long drink, soaked her eyes, and appears to be happier.  She still has one eye that looks kind of cloudy and half shut.  The other eye looks fine.  The bad eye is on the side of her body where she was injured (she even had some carapace injuries right above that part of her head).  So it is possible that that eye was injured, but it wasn't something the vet mentioned.

We will probably soak her again tonight since it went so well.  Maybe after a couple days of this, she will start to eat again.

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I'd be careful to not soak her too much.  Just as they don't need to eat regularly, turtles can go without drinking for a while.  You could probably soak her once every 2-3 days and be just fine.  The risk with soaking too much is that if water gets pooled anywhere it might encourage an infection.

2) She won't eat.  We have proper temperature, light, and UVB to stimulate appetite, but she is just not interested.  I know box turtles can go quite a while without eating, but doesn't she need vitamins and nutrition to support her immune system while she recovers?

Yes, but not to the same degree as mammals.  Reptilian immune systems are much more constrained by body temperature than by nutrients, and a natural injury response can be (not always) to seek out a warm place to bask and actually avoid feeding so they can focus entirely on thermoregulation

If the shell isn't really cracked I'm sure she will recover just fine.  Damage to the marginal scutes is a minor injury- its how many turtles are marked in research.

The damage to the shell bridge is probably the most concerning, but its tough to tell how serious it is without a photo.  If there's any way to fix the shell pieces together, they should heal nicely.  Many vets simply use epoxy to do this and it works fine.

Van

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I again concur.  I'm afraid you may in danger of "overdoing" a bit here.  Offer a really warm end to the tank, a water soak every 3-4 days, food once every 4-5 days or so, follow bandaging procedures of the vet...and then leave the poor thing alone.   wink   It needs time, warmth, and rest; not stress.  Less is more.  K-I-S-S!   smile

Once the wounds are no longer fresh, offer it a water bowl for drinking and back off everything else until spring.  If it is spending all of its time at the cool end of the tank, remove the heat, too.  In all likelihood it is wanting to hibernate...so as soon as it is healthy enough to do so, you should accommodate it.

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Hi y'all, just an update.  Our little turtle is doing better.  We have continued to follow the vet's instructions and soak her once a day (this is also when we change her bandages).  The last two days, she has been more active and has visibly been drinking the water.  Last night, she showed some interest in a strawberry, even trying to bite it, but didn't really get any of it.  Then this morning I put a wax worm in front of her and she gobbled it up immediately.  I offered her another and she ate it, too.  When I left for work, she was showing interest in some banana I put out for her.  So she is now eating and drinking.  Her right eye still looks a bit closed and cloudy, but it doesn't look red or swollen, and it appears to get better during and after her daily soaks, so I believe it may be a bit dry due to the fact that we currently have to keep her in a dry newspaper substrate instead of the moist soil she would have in the wild.  I am watching it closely though.  Other than the daily soaks and bandage changes (which we have been instructed to do by the vet), I am leaving her alone.

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Glad to hear things are looking better.

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Just another update -
I took the turtle back to the vet today for a check-up, and it is doing really well.  There are no signs of infection, and the shell is slowly healing.  Because there is damage to the bridge in a way that would be very difficult to wire or patch, we are continueing to use gauze and then pet bandage wrap to hold it in place until it heals more.  We soak her once a day and rebandage it.  So far so good.  She also chooses not to use her front left leg very much, if she can help it.  When needed, she pulls it out and uses it, but most of the time she keeps it tucked up.  Because this is the side in which her bridge was broken, the vet thinks that fully extending the leg and putting pressure on it is probably uncomfortable for her, but that it doesn't appear broken and should heal completely.

She is eating, but only seams interested in wax worms right now.  They are fattening, but that's okay - she is pretty thin.  We dust them with vitamin powder and calcium powder sometimes, since she hasn't shown much interested in the fruits and veggies I've put out for her.  I've tried collard greens, tomatoes, strawberries, bananas, melon, pumpkin, red peppers, carrots, grapes, and wet cat food (all chopped finely and mixed together in various "salad" mixtures).  She sniffs it and pokes her head around in it, but doesn't actually eat.  She shows a lot of interest in the red wriggler worms and mealworms that I have put down for her, but doesn't actually bite them.  The only thing she has gone for, so far, are wax worms. 

She also has one eye that appears smaller, sunken in, and half closed.  This has stayed the same since we got her back from the vet (I thought it was improving, but I was wrong).  I asked about it today and the vet said the eye looked that way when we brought her in on the day of the dog attack, and the she believes it is from an old injury.  It does not appear to be freshly injured or infected.

Anyway, we are continuing the newspaper and paper towel dry-docking with daily soaks for another two weeks, until the injuries heal up more, then we will be able to remove the bandages and replace the newspaper with a soil and moss mixture.  With quite a bit of shell damage and a bad eye, we are not sure if this turtle can ever be released again (especially considering that its home range includes our backyard and the dog that has already attacked it once).  We are currently doing everything we possibly can to make it happy and healthy.