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woowooowoooooow!! yikes  haha I would like to know WHY?? why where so many contortrix at this place  roll  woo thats a lot! I wanna tell you guys this but I saw a adult Copperhead in my yard 2 weeks ago, but guess what, my brothers german shepherd was barking at it, thats how I saw it but it was funny to watch the dog, Max, he didnt get very close to the snake, he just sat there and barked at it, about 15 feet from it (he has never been trained by professional but has a very good manner and is smart enough lol ) hehe, but thank god that he didnt go play with it!!. I got the snake into my "snake bag" and realeased.  smile 
Im so looking forward to go to the next trip! cant wait!! i hope you all had a good summer and it aint over yet!  wink

Daniel

1.0.0 Ball Python, Normal

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The news story was picked up by the Arkansas Democrat Gazette.  Printed Monday, August 15.  I'm reluctant to post the article since it's only available online to newspaper subscribers and, of course, in the print edition.  Pick up a paper if you can; it's an interesting read.

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The news story has now been picked up by the Associated Press.  You can read the full article here:

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/storie ... TE=DEFAULT

Or from any of the choices listed here (such as the Miami Herald, Wired News, or the Conservative Voice):

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=u ... -headlines

There are minor, but mostly insignificant, differences between the Dem-Gazette and AP versions.

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I used to live in Yellville and nothing this cool happened on my farm (or I would have called all you guys to come over).......................................................................
Snakes alive in Marion -
Copperheads Swarm Marion County Tree
By KEVAN MATHIS 08/18/2005
   
A research team from Arkansas State University is trying to figure out why at least 100 male copperhead snakes have converged at a cedar tree at Chuck Millers farm near Highway 14 south of Yellville in Marion County.   
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YELLVILLE - A team of zoologists from Arkansas State University is trying to figure out why at least 100 male copperheads have gathered at the base of a large tree on a farm in Marion County over a three-week period.

The poisonous snakes have apparently slithered up to mark their scent on one certain dead cedar tree on a farm owned by Chuck Miller, who lives off of Highway 14 south of Yellville.
"The snakes started showing up in scads the last week in July and I've been watching them go to the same tree every night," said the 35-year-old construction worker who is building his cabin about 40 yards away from the tree.
Miller's five pit bull dogs alert him almost every night when snakes are returning to the tree or moving about in the yard. "My dogs either bark at them or even kill some of them (snakes)," he said. "My dogs have all been bitten several times but they are apparently immune from the venom."
To make sure people actually believed his story, Miller went out at the tree at night with a flashlight and used metal tongs to gather up about 100 of the pitvipers and put them in large plastic trash cans.
He then contacted Stanley Trauth, a zoology professor at Arkansas State University, who was so intrigued he traveled to Miller's rural north central Arkansas property to conduct research on the phenomenon.
"What's remarkable about this story is not that the snakes have gathered at this one tree," said Trauth in a telephone interview with the Daily Times. "What doesn't make sense is that the snakes may be moving toward hibernation sites this early for reasons we're trying to determine."
Trauth and Miller agree that snakes normally gather to move to hibernation sites in October, not in July and August. "We don't think it's because of the dry weather because we've got streams and a pond lower down on the mountain below the tree," said Miller. "The only reason I caught so many and placed them in a garbage can was so people would believe my story."
An ASU research team has already placed radio transmitters on several of the copperheads, released them at varying distances and monitored them returning again to the same tree. Other snakes were tagged with numbers and released to be studied.
Trauth took back a large garbage can full of copperheads that Miller collected back to his lab at the college to study. "For some reason, these are some of the most aggressive male copperheads I've ever seen," said Trauth. "It's natural for snakes to gather at the same place to leave their scent to let other snakes know it's a marker on their way to a den site. What's weird is that it's too early for hibernation."
Miller said a large number of copperheads gathered last year at another cedar tree about 50 yards away from the one they're using now. "I cut down that cedar tree last year and they're just using this other one," he said. "I also found several large timber rattlesnakes last year and this year I've found one pygmy rattlesnake."
Miller, who said he is an avid outdoorsman, said he feels completely safe camping out in a tent on his property with his 7-year-old son and 8-year-old daughter. "Snakes aren't out there to hurt anyone," he said. "There's got to be a reason why the copperheads are behaving this way and we're just trying to figure out the scientific reason."

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Kari

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We're getting almost sick of people asking us if we've "heard" about it.............

Like....um..... NO- its news to me!...........I refrain as much as I can from telling them we're the ones that called it in , in the first place- but my tongue's getting blisters from biting it so much.

When we do say we knew about it first- they say' OH"  and ask knowledeable, intelligent questions instead of trying to act like they know something we dont....lol

I still say getting the media involved was a mistake.....at least that early in the investigation.

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Bobby (Trauth's student) actually changed his thesis and is now using this unique opportunity to work with such a wonderful sample. If I hear any news, I will let yall know.

Josh

Josh Engelbert
Copan, OK

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Have there been any updates on this story? Do they have an idea of what caused these copperheads to congregate like this?

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The copperheads have stopped their meetings and went back to everyday life. It is still unknown as to why they congregated. I think they were just having a "herp" meeting and got caught. I doubt there will be too much more as far as updates until next summer when/if they do it again.

Josh E.

Josh Engelbert
Copan, OK

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I had a similar occurrance happen to me this summer around the same time that this whole copperhead story came about. I got a call at work to come and get a bunch of copperheads out of a lady's yard one night. We got there and caught 10 that night and came back the next night and caught 3 more out of her yard. They were also very aggressive...mainly because they were in a feeding frenzy! It wasn't cicadas that they were after but, they were actually eating the brown "June Bugs"! Some of them were even fighting over them. And, like the article says, they were climbing small bushes and trees...in this case to get to the bugs. They had actually killed 4 of them before we got there and we cut them open and their stomachs were still moving! They were stuffed full of the june bugs that were still alive! Enough said if you ask me.

Cheyne

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I don't think this is "enough said" or "case closed" by far.

The animals from this location were not full of june bugs at this site, and there is probably more going on here.  I plan on taking a closer look at stomach content, but I can say that june bugs were not overly numerous, and that no feeding behavior was observed while we were collecting these animals (except for one case of possible foraging behavior.  Although I did at one time find some animals in the vicinity of a freshly molting cicada, I never saw one eat), and I spent many nights at the study site watching/collecting data.  Out of 100+ animals observed, I don't think that feeding was the cause of this event.  I also have some telemetry data that is rather interesting but I'm not going to go into that at the moment.

The snakes that I observed were not overly aggressive at all.  I collected most snakes by simply walking up to them and placing them in the bucket with a hook or other tools.  I had one adult individual that was at eye level with me while I was collecting a juvinile (I literally looked up and there he was).  After I captured these 2 individuals we turned around and there was a third individual that was behind us that hadn't been there even 15 seconds prior.  Again, no aggressive behavior, just a typical laid-back copperhead.

I look forward to investigating this site and others in the future... Hopefully we can get to the bottom of this.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster is TRUTH

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No kidding Bobby...I can't wait for warm weather to return!!

Braithre Thar Gach Ni

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Does anybody still have any pictures of the "barrel" of copperheads? For some reason I never got a chance to see them.

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richardyingling1 wrote:

Does anybody still have any pictures of the "barrel" of copperheads? For some reason I never got a chance to see them.

http://www.herpsofarkansas.com/gallery/662-6/white_death.jpg

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"still crazy after all these years"... Im still shakin my head at the wierdness of it all.

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WOW! That is crazy. Thanks for the pic.

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Last night on the Old Mountain.

Braithre Thar Gach Ni

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Sorry for the huge size guys. In just a little over an hour we found 10,plus the 2 or 3 we missed. We walked an area of less than 100 feet finding all but two,one was crossing the road behind us and another adult specimen was at the base of that tree.

Braithre Thar Gach Ni

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Nice!! who needs AZ huh.  lol

"Milk was a bad choice"- Ron Burgandy

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I still think it's cooler in AZ....

Braithre Thar Gach Ni

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I haven't read this entire thread. Did they ever determine what was causing this congregation of snakes?

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Nope.....

Braithre Thar Gach Ni

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I edited glens photo so its a much smaller, screen sized version... feel free to click now, it shouldnt pop out of the monitor  wink

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Question. I lived in Leavenworth county, KS., for 5 years. This is at the southern edge of the glaciated  zone. The hills are very similar to the Ozarks- very rocky, bluffs, steep hollows, mixed hardwoods, etc.
I remember reading (or being told by a herpetologist who frequented the retreat I lived on) that the population of copperheads were approximately 160 per acre! I am wondering what the official estimates for copperheads in the northern edge of the Buffalo Ridge (which includes Marion co., as well as Boone co.) is?